View Full Version : Silverstone Classic 2014 - Warning pic heavy!
dylbie
29th July 2014, 09:55 PM
Firstly RIP to Denis Welch who lost his life driving a 1960 Lotus 18 on Sunday :( Very sad news.
Now...
To anyone who hasn't been to the Silverstone Classic: get your arse there next year!
It was THE best motorsport event I've ever been to. The racing is fantastic - millions of pounds worth of beautiful classics being driven flat out! The static displays were the best I've ever seen. The Ferrari owners club stand was just incredible, as was the Maserati, Aston, Jaguar, Lotus, BMW etc etc. More car porn than I've ever seen before! I have got over 3GB of photos! I'll try and post some of them up in some sort of order! Sorry if some of the photos are bad quality, I borrowed my sisters SLR and it was my first time using one so I was a photography noob!
Definitely will be going next year. Hopefully I'll be taking my MR2 and doing a parade lap for the 30th anniversary.
The funny thing is I said to my wife as we were walking to the circuit: "As these cars are worth so much, the racing probably wont be that great as the drivers will probably be scared of smashing their 'pride and joys' which in some cases will be in excess of £1million." So we walk up the bank, the circuit comes into view, and what do we see: :blink:
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8319_zpsb79feb85-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 09:55 PM
Sir John Whitmore Trophy for under 2 Litre Touring Cars
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8336_zpsa2a6c799-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8343_zps92635fd8-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8381_zps16a51b61-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8397_zpsff680fba-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8398_zps2ba0e728-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8403_zps9f4a7081-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8409_zpsc9dc0e80-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8413_zps89196f06-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8417_zps41f12af7-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 09:57 PM
FIA Masters Historic Formula One...
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8580_zpsd69f070e-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8583_zps557bf71d-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8584_zpsafdd7238-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8612_zpsd780142a-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8668_zps7a3282f1-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8670_zpsa82461e7-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8679_zpsed7b7437-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9308_zpsd9c54cc6-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9314_zps7b94adcc-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9316_zps7e91b82e-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9328_zps5d5c7a6c-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9332_zps30aab72d-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9349_zps5409f034-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9352_zps9b0d9fd5-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9361_zps90c30bf2-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9369_zpsec20f741-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 09:58 PM
Group C Endurance... with glowing brake discs! :woohoo:
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9224_zps63d10ff2-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9229_zps2a9d0c5e-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9220_zpsf051f82e-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9218_zpsce6a0944-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9207_zps73d03785-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9233_zpscb5d0a3b-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9246_zps1093aa63-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9260_zps184c3947-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 09:59 PM
90s GT Legends
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9002_zps8c24665b-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9015_zpsa5adce2e-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9026_zpsb30bfb34-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9029_zpsb48f6141-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9038_zpsf9598401-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9041_zps58c90659-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9402_zps01e651c7-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 10:00 PM
Jet Super Touring Car Trophy
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8680_zps54c38aa9-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8687_zpsc1e4a7c2-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8688_zps83dbbee8-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8689_zps4e2fd75f-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8694_zps70168fdc-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8696_zps54d55282-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8700_zps93009f55-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8703_zps6e0e6b81-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8708_zps160140a4-1.jpg
This was a personal favourite of mine. You could hear it all the way around the track and seemed to be louder than all the other touring cars put together, and probably louder than the F1 cars too! The 1973 Ford Capri RS3100. An absolute beauty!!!
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9384_zps44b38d82-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9387_zpscea3995f-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 10:00 PM
FIA Masters Historic Sports Cars
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9065_zpsd941adec-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9103_zps151d3973-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9109_zps11e9228d-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9159_zps31ebf012-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9160_zps0f9885bf-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9164_zps46d0cfc7-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9171_zpsba1e408e-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9190_zps5d2c28d8-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9174_zps8c49554b-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 10:01 PM
Mustang Celebration Trophy
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8872_zpscd6b8e91-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8894_zpse21fc4a4-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8919_zpsdb354a4d-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8937_zpsa4d72bc9-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9423_zpsc488ae00-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9427_zps1cfe565a-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9420_zps5b2ed7e6-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9431_zps945c427d-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8919_zpsdb354a4d-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9434_zps9c115e64-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9445_zps48590d5a-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 10:02 PM
Mustang 50th Anniversary Celebration Parade - Mustangs as far as the eye can see, and a couple of special guests!
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8451_zps631ea61c-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8452_zps3e1c0695-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8453_zpsc5365941-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8570_zpsf46984bb-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8555_zps8df60eda-1.jpg
dylbie
29th July 2014, 10:05 PM
Right I still have a lot more racing photos but I guess everyone is bored so I'll post some highlights of the static displays now. There was soo much to see and so many beautiful amazing cars that at some points I didn't know where to look. Even without the great racing, the displays from the car clubs were truly amazing. Usually at a car show you'll see one or maybe two of a certain car. Here there seemed to be 10+ of everything!
I'll start with the best looking car first!
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8538_zps9998e035-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8533_zps43e7960b-1.jpg
Ferraris as far as the eye can see!!!
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8519_zpsebc1ba31-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8518_zps42fda05a-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8505_zps65fbe874-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8506_zpsad284e5a-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8510_zps696e341a-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8522_zpsa9971aab-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8515_zps22663cc2-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8516_zpsea56d8e3-1.jpg
Astons
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8495_zpsd85a42e9-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8497_zps0c73709b-1.jpg
Jags
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8593_zpsb135f5c3-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8592_zps33febd04-1.jpg
Lotus
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8435_zpsa7cbca57-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8436_zps67628674-1.jpg
BMW
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9389_zps14371cfb-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9297_zps091a7d15-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8599_zps0b8cbc40-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8598_zps699ed4c9-1.jpg
Cobra!
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9298_zpsb3c2fc9e-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8430_zps82f36dd4-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8424_zps57c8bed1-1.jpg
Stratos
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9294_zps99a2aea9-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9295_zps3c38fcb1-1.jpg
Stags
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9296_zpsa3a7af2c-1.jpg
Abarth X1/9
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8444_zpsc4bebabf-1.jpg
Amazing hotrod/drag cars!
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9293_zps5a89dded-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8423_zps8316b1f8-1.jpg
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8419_zps327f080a-1.jpg
These are just a fraction of the photos I have, and all the photos I have are only a fraction of whats actually there! I can't emphasise how much is there to see!
Master-B
29th July 2014, 10:13 PM
Did you catch the dragsters doing their demonstration run down to the old bridge behind their stand? It was gas monkey levels of awesome!
dylbie
29th July 2014, 10:33 PM
Nah missed that but I think I heard it, and saw the tyres smoke! You get any pics?
Master-B
29th July 2014, 10:38 PM
Fraid not. Crap old phone with even crappier camera ensured I took no photos whatsoever! Ill see if I can *borrow* some from a photostream somewhere...
Vistalite
30th July 2014, 07:01 AM
Great Photo's Dylbie - you saw a lot more than I managed to.
I hope your wife has taken on board Bill's constructive comments and tidied herself up in the make-up department :eek:
coverco
30th July 2014, 08:40 AM
Brilliant photos Dylbie, it is hard to describe to someone who has never been before how good the Silverstone Classic is.... your pictures certainly give a good feel of what goes on but there is too much to see and do in 4 days :-)
Sorry I did not get to meet you, I saw you and your wife being accosted by Mr Hulme but was rushing off to watch a race, glad you enjoyed it and spread the word. Next year we need a big turnout.
bill hulme
30th July 2014, 09:09 AM
Great Photo's Dylbie - you saw a lot more than I managed to.
I hope your wife has taken on board Bill's constructive comments and tidied herself up in the make-up department :eek:
Did you hear the bit about what's needed for a photo shoot, She's one of the most naturally elegant and beautiful person I have had the pleasure of meeting in a long time.
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9000_zps5ef1fe79-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9000_zps5ef1fe79.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/_MG_8130_zps79983a9a-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/_MG_8130_zps79983a9a.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/phototran1psd_zpsebfb7d50-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/phototran-1psd_zpsebfb7d50.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_7190_zpsebe76b43-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_7190_zpsebe76b43.jpg.html)http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8162_zpsfead6cb7-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_8162_zpsfead6cb7.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9893_zpsf0629f4c-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9893_zpsf0629f4c.jpg.html)http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8910_zps0c2c2628-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_8910_zps0c2c2628.jpg.html)
This last photo is sheer filth but I like it.
Bill.
Vistalite
30th July 2014, 12:46 PM
Excellent. Are they your photos Bill? Can you post some that you took with the telephoto lens?
dylbie
30th July 2014, 01:58 PM
Haha! Thanks Bill, that's why I married her! Just to clarify none of the above photos are my wife! =/
Thinking about next year, I'd be quite happy to chip in a few extra quid to the club to get the stand looking a bit more awesome. I'm not talking about the levels of the Ferraris OC with chandeliers and marble floors, but would be cool to get a couple of gazebos with the club logo on it or something along those lines. I'm not sure how much that would cost of course. It would also good to do some co-ordination with the other clubs to get as many MR2s involved as we can. Would also be epic if we can get a Woodsport stand in the middle of it all as well! Paul? :)
bill hulme
30th July 2014, 07:04 PM
Did you hear the bit about what's needed for a photo shoot, She's one of the most naturally elegant and beautiful person I have had the pleasure of meeting in a long time.
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9000_zps5ef1fe79-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9000_zps5ef1fe79.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/_MG_8130_zps79983a9a-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/_MG_8130_zps79983a9a.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/phototran1psd_zpsebfb7d50-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/phototran-1psd_zpsebfb7d50.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_7190_zpsebe76b43-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_7190_zpsebe76b43.jpg.html)http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8162_zpsfead6cb7-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_8162_zpsfead6cb7.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9893_zpsf0629f4c-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9893_zpsf0629f4c.jpg.html)http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8910_zps0c2c2628-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_8910_zps0c2c2628.jpg.html)
This last photo is sheer filth but I like it.
Bill.
yes the portraits are mine if you go on Facebook type in (Bill Hulme Photography) the over 100 portraits on my site.
bill hulme
30th July 2014, 07:20 PM
More photos
Mr Tom Mundy our great Chairman
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9398_zps804f15e5-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9398_zps804f15e5.jpg.html)
The dipstick is here some where.
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9439_zps0b41b072-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9439_zps0b41b072.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_8886_zps14bea3e9-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_8886_zps14bea3e9.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9493_zps4c0839bf-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9493_zps4c0839bf.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9494_zpsa30ccdc3-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9494_zpsa30ccdc3.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9551_zpsa7fe17d7-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9551_zpsa7fe17d7.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9553_zps9a004640-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9553_zps9a004640.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9590_zps0d9415a2-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9590_zps0d9415a2.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9596_zps961a7372-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9596_zps961a7372.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9488_zpsb6c0c96a-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9488_zpsb6c0c96a.jpg.html)
http://www.mr2mk1club.com/images/imported/2014/07/IMG_9442_zps95906cf4-1.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/dodgerbillie/media/IMG_9442_zps95906cf4.jpg.html)
A GREAT TIME WAS HAD TILL MY CAMERA BROKE.
IF YOU LIKE PHOTOGRAPHSS TRY (500PX) AMAZING PHOTOS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
tommundy
30th July 2014, 07:33 PM
Great photos Dylan and Bill!
The plan for next year is to invite Mk1 owners of other car clubs to create a huge Mk1 stand and put on a fantastic parade. I'll be contacting the other clubs in due course. :)
Lois will be posting up her photos soon too.
Cheers,
Tom
Vistalite
30th July 2014, 08:24 PM
yes the portraits are mine if you go on Facebook type in (Bill Hulme Photography) the over 100 portraits on my site.
Bill, I am mightily impressed. What a talented man you are, and the portrait of Tom is superb. My teenage son takes photography as a subject at secondary, and have now told him to look at your work for inspiration. Best regards Jonathan
dylbie
30th July 2014, 08:54 PM
Sounds great Tom! Will it be all MR2s or just Mk1s? If you need any help with contacting people, or getting things organised then just let me know.
I've also been mingling with the track attack race club guys a bit this year. It would be really cool to get the race cars on stand and in the parade too! I can drop a suggestion and see if they'll be interested, but I'm sure they would be up for it.
tommundy
31st July 2014, 09:37 AM
Thanks for the offer of assistance. I may get in touch with you.
It'll be just Mk1's as it's going to be the 30th anniversary! :)
Scott Forster
31st July 2014, 11:50 AM
Photo's loo awesome, I'm gutted a I didn't get a ticket in time.
definately up for next year, and I can give a hand with the stand set-up/marketing/merchandise. Its what I do as part of my profession!
I can always chat about it with those who will be at Tatton in a few week's!
Scotty
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.2 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.